important as killing bin laden. he does not have the global reach or influence that bin laden did. but he is important for one major reason. he has killed american. he has american blood on his hands, and it was recently. in that sense, being able to capture and in this case, potentially kill him, has very significant implications that if you do target and kill american civilians overseas, you will pay a price for that. >> and peter, the bottom line is this would appear to be, if it is true, that if they are ted, a very big victory, even if it was the chadians who did it, for president obama. >> i'm not sure it's a victory for president obama. it's a victory for the international community. i'm still bothered, erin, by the fact that justice has not been served on those who took four americans' lives in benghazi almost six months ago. so like i said, i would be glad to see these people out of the picture, but once again, i think we have to be careful about the signals it sends. and what we do, and once again, it would be a victory for the international community overall.